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Q: Why can I not add "Shri", "Chhatrapati", or "Maharaj" to Shivaji's name?

A: As per WP:Honorifics and WP:Commonname, in Wikipedia, we refer to people by their commonly used name in the cited academic sources. We do not include titles or Honorifics unless they are commonly used in the cited sources (Shivaji does not fall in this category).
Please note Charles III, where he is referred to as "Charles" throughout, not "King Charles" nor "His Royal Highness" or whatnot. We clearly note Shivaji's titles in the article, we just don't repeat them each time his name is written.
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Section size for Shivaji (43 sections)
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Early life	5,170	5,170
Ancestry	417	417
Conflict with Bijapur Sultanate	39	12,713
Background and context	1,601	1,601
Independent generalship	3,383	3,383
Combat with Afzal Khan	4,698	4,698
Siege of Panhala	1,649	1,649
Battle of Pavan Khind	1,343	1,343
Conflict with the Mughals	1,557	12,480
Attacks on Shaista Khan and Surat	3,340	3,340
Treaty of Purandar	1,717	1,717
Arrest in Agra and escape	4,901	4,901
Peace with the Mughals	965	965
Reconquest	2,776	4,287
Battles of Umrani and Nesari	1,511	1,511
Coronation	11,830	11,830
Conquest in southern India	4,153	4,153
Death and succession	3,576	3,576
Governance	18	7,816
Ashta Pradhan Mandal	1,701	1,701
Promotion of Marathi and Sanskrit	918	918
Religious policy	3,438	4,142
Ramdas	704	704
Seal	1,037	1,037
Mode of warfare	3,234	8,497
Military	792	792
Hill forts	1,663	1,663
Navy	2,808	2,808
Legacy	349	17,115
Contemporaneous view	2,169	2,169
Early depictions	590	590
Nineteenth century	4,521	4,521
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Political parties	851	851
Controversies related to Shivaji's depiction	5,909	5,909
Commemorations	9,490	9,490
Sources	15	8,090
Notes	33	33
References	240	240
Bibliography	7,802	7,802
Further reading	895	895
External links	1,426	1,426
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Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2024

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In the article there should have title which is 'Chhatrapati' with the name of Shivaji Maharaj. Also you should have written Maharaj after Shivaji as it shows respect towards the man who is people's true king not the King of any piece of land. So my humble request towards you to make this correction in your article as this not about any other king or emperor but about the man who faught for the justice for the people. Thank you. 2409:4081:1206:E43A:1E1:671:7337:ACDD (talk) 07:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: see FAQ Cannolis (talk) 08:53, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I request you to please do it. 2405:201:21:C128:951B:CAE9:C4F8:EE7F (talk) 17:09, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I support you Parth king739 (talk) 07:32, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2024

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In the "commemorations" section, in "The headquarters in Mumbai of the Western Railway zone, a UNESCO World Heritage Site, was renamed Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus in 1996.", the headquarters is of Central Railways, not Western Railways. ^[1]

Also, it has been furthur renamed to "Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus" in 2017. ^[2] ^[3] 117.98.114.75 (talk) 13:11, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Rainsage (talk) 06:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change the name

Change the name to "chhatrapati shavaji maharaj" it shows respect towards the king. 2409:4080:396:2B63:0:0:C43:B8A1 (talk) 19:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done. Please see WP:TITLESINTITLES. Rasnaboy (talk) 20:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Correct I on behalf of being a Maharashtrian Support this. Parth king739 (talk) 07:31, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2025

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"change Shivaji to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj " everywhere in the article Parth king739 (talk) 07:26, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Ultraodan (talk) 12:22, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Change article name to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj.

Only Shivaji is is form of disrespect to the King or "Raje" it is important to change the name to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj everywhere in the articles atleast to Shivaji Maharaj Parth king739 (talk) 07:29, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shivaji didn't wrote the letter of remonstrance of Jizya

There is a letter written in the Governance -> Religious Policy section of this article. The letter of remonstrance of Jizya. But many scholars have came to the conclusion that it was not written by Shivaji. I don't want to go into the details about how it is proved it was not written by Shivaji. I will give some names of eminent historians who have said it was not written by Shivaji. Please see the following:

Zahiruddin Faruqi, Aurangzeb and his Times, page 160

Link : https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.529984/page/n185/mode/2up?view=theater

Elphinstone, The History of India, Vol. II, Book XI, page 494.

Link : https://archive.org/details/the-history-of-india-02/page/494/mode/1up?view=theater

Irfan Habib

Link : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTZI2365308, see from timestamp 34:00

Gajanan Mehendale, Shivaji His Life and Times, appendix 9.

So I request to give me permission to remove the letter from the section. Mahusha (talk) 07:15, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, perhaps we can create an article on this letter and include in it the differing opinions about historicity, authorship etc. if modern sources can be found attesting to the above. But for now you can remove it. - Ratnahastin (talk) 07:27, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ok removing it now. Mahusha (talk) 08:50, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://cr.indianrailways.gov.in/view_section.jsp?lang=0&id=0,6,1974

[2] ttps://www.hindustantimes.com/mumbai-news/mumbai-travellers-cst-is-now-chhatrapati-shivaji-maharaj-terminus/story-ZZbzAnvvu1leBPZCRQwmtM.html

[3] ttps://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/mumbai-railway-station-renamed-to-chhatrapati-shivaji-maharaj-terminus/articleshow/59390999.cms

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