Talk:Nancy Mace

Redistricting

My recent edit was reverted, because I stated that the citation was paywalled. Unless one is subscribed to WAPO, it only shows the first paragraph. I also added more context to provide a neutral representation. The AP sources that I used are freely available in full. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 23:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Correction - yes, the full WAPO article is available if you use an 'approved' browser. Regardless, my edit provided more context on the decision, and the AP cites work regardless of browser. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 23:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Sentence about signage needs work

After facing backlash from members of Congress especially Hakeem Jeffries for bullying the first-ever trans lady in Congress, Mace put up a "BIOLOGICAL women" sihn on the Capitol restroom even though McBride hadn't been sworn in November 2024. 1. Change "lady" to "woman". 2. Change "sihn" to "sign". 2A00:23C5:FE1C:3701:C0D5:B28E:71E6:79B9 (talk) 13:36, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm cutting it down actually because I think her restroom stunt is WP:UNDUE. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:44, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

When Mace says that she doesn't mind being labeled a "monster" and "bigot," believe her instead of deleting her own publication on house.gov "[Rep. Nancy Mace OBLITERATES the Radical Left: "I WILL FIGHT LIKE HELL" | Representative Nancy Mace]" Arbeiten8 (talk) 04:27, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

We don't need to quote or use her own press release. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Wrong Quote Attribution - Bathroom Bill section

a quote in this section is attributed to the wrong person. The paragraph in question reads as follows:

According to Mike Johnson, Mace is so passionate about excluding McBride that she was "tweeting 262 times about a bill that applies to like .00000001% of Congress in 36 hours."

The quote should be attributed to Natalie Johnson, Mace's former communications director, and not Mike Johnson. 24.206.82.195 (talk) 15:33, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

I deleted it as barely relevant, and per WP:NEWSWEEK. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

I made an error. Mike Johnson misgenders trans women and has announced his opposition to them using any female facilities beyond bathroom on the Capitol. "Speaker Johnson says transgender women won't be allowed to use women’s restrooms in Capitol" Arbeiten8 (talk) 08:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Massive deletion after Mace's panic attack following first trans lady in the House

I don't create stories. However, I was right when I said some people who object. Hence, to those editor deleting my edits, please explain why you narrow the focus to rolls of Charmin when she expanded her House Resolution and folks like AOC and Evan Greer expressed their outrage. Arbeiten8 (talk) 00:21, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Editor FMSKy, please justify your vast deletion of reliable sources--Arbeiten8 (talk) 00:24, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Mace's attack on Evan Greer

I have learned the 3-revert rule in 24 hours. So, I won't restore the sources. However, Mace's transphobic attack go beyond bathrooms and Congress: "Mace responded by misgendering Greer ". Arbeiten8 (talk) 00:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't add this personally, because she seems to do this so often that it is an uphill battle to report all of the incidents ApteryxRainWing | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 15:29, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Sara Haines: Mace is a "bullying troll"

Sara Haines of The View (talk show) described Mace as a 'bullying troll' over congresswoman's transphobic social media meltdown. I ask an uninvolved editor to add this to the mis-labeled bathroom section. video

Whoopi Goldberg who also accused Mace of “bullying,” said, “I don’t understand why this is her welcome to someone who is coming to make a difference in the country.” Arbeiten8 (talk) 01:24, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Both of those events will fall under recentism.

Her daily performative gestures are not newsworthy, in and of themselves.

thanks for helping to keep the encyclopedia accurate, Augmented Seventh (talk) 06:19, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Not really. Anything I added that was relevant got deleted. It is quite important that I added the broader version of the House Resolution "H.R.10186 - To prohibit individuals from accessing or using single-sex facilities on Federal property other than those corresponding to their biological sex, and for other purposes." There is a backstory to this resolution which is that Marjorie Taylor Greene was deadset against H.Res.1579 - "Prohibiting Members, officers, and employees of the House from using single-sex facilities other than those corresponding to their biological sex, and for other purposes". MTG demanded that trans ladies be banned from women's spaces in 'all taxpayer-funded facilities' (not just bathrooms)

The distinction is

*H.Res.1579 : bathroom resolution

• H.R.10186 : gender identity discrimination on all federal property

I can't edit when hardline editors take the extreme position of immediate deletion in lieu of a reasoned approach with compromise. Arbeiten8 (talk) 07:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Mace trashed the trans flag

Nancy Mace tears down trans bathroom posters and throws them in trash video on X Arbeiten8 (talk) 20:01, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

not notable. Augmented Seventh (talk) 04:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

If a news org reports on it, we can add it ApteryxRainWing | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 15:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Don't be afraid to use judgment when RS is wrong

I object to the sentence, "She said she still supports aspects of a social transition such as a new name or new pronouns" sourced to CNN currently in this article. Considering that Mace has repeatedly said that she is against respecting pronouns and wants to humiliate, deadname, and misgenders, and calls minority women "lunatics" let alone drag queens, this is very misleading. The analysis in the article "Nancy Mace was never an LGBTQ+ ally. She was always a transphobic extremist." is very factual based on Mace's record in Congress.

To recap, Mace

1. is against the Equality Act, which would add LGBTQ+ people to existing federal civil rights legislation;
2. supported several anti-LGBTQ+ amendments added to larger spending bills that rolled back LGBTQ+ rights; and
3. even voted against the LGBTQI+ Data Inclusion Act, which would add questions about LGBTQ+ identity to some federal surveys.
4. She voted against reauthorizing the Violence Against Women Act because it would give some protections to transgender inmates.
5. 2020 transphobic lies to get elected against Joe Cunningham (American politician). " when she ran an ad accusing her opponent, then-incumbent Rep. Joe Cunningham (D-SC), of working with Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) to pass a law “requiring transgender equality in the military,” a law that Mace claimed led to a local Marine Corps base almost getting shut down."
6. 2022_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_South_Carolina#District_1 South Carolina Democratic House candidate Annie Andrews slammed Rep. Nancy Mace (R-S.C.) Wednesday for “bigoted attacks”

Arbeiten8 (talk) 08:50, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but I'm just going off what the news said. Wikipedia is dumb and doesn't allow common sense, so I added everything important from that article instead of cherry picking info to prove a point. Yes, Nancy Mace is a transphobic and hateful troglodyte, but she said something to a (debatably) reliable news source that seemed important enough to include. I was talking in the Teahouse about this and they said to add all the information from a source and allow the reader to use their judgement (which is a stupid idea, for the record) ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 15:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

When CNN doesn't do enough research. We can research and bring up facts published by Nancy Mace herself saying, "Cunningham and Pelosi passed a law requiring transgendered [sic] equality in the military, a liberal mandate that will close Parris Island." Parris Island Will Close Over My Dead Body She Joe Cunningham (American politician) in 2020 which was no easy challenge defeating an incumbent. Pundits are saying that she's going for the Senate seat of Lindsey Graham next. Arbeiten8 (talk) 21:18, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I have no idea what you are attempting to say. What does the future of Lindsey Graham's Senate seat have to do with Nancy Mace being a dipshit on twitter? I'm done arguing about this, it's pretty clear you aren't familiar with the concept of community consensus and WP:NPOV. Best of luck with whatever you do in life. ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 21:48, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Mace is taking a page from the 2022 United States Senate election in Missouri. Mace's Twitter posts echo 2022 United States Senate election in Missouri and what Hartzler was doing which got her suspended on Twitter in March 2022 before Elon Musk took over in October 2022. Arbeiten8 (talk) 22:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Since you urged me to weigh in on this situation via your talk page, I will. You are failing to address the counterarguments being made by ApteryxRainWing🐉, and are instead just copy and pasting useless information regarding your initial point. ApteryxRainWing🐉 is not arguing whether or not your opinions are correct regarding Nancy Mace, in fact, quite the opposite. She is instead arguing that the means in which you are supporting your position is not viable for Wikepedia. I encourage you to be more civil and step back from the situation, as ApteryxRainWing is NOT your enemy here.

Please see the below policies which ApteryxRainWing and I are reffering to:

Wikepedia is not a newspaper.

Credible Sources

Best, L.E. Rainer 22:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Her father, James Emory Mace, was the Commandant of The Citadel.

She says that she was the first woman accepted to The Citadel and the first woman to graduate. I have no idea if this is true, but her father, James Emory Mace, was the Commandant of The Citadel at the time. <-- this info about her father is not on the page.

No. I'm not editing the page. HARRISONSST (talk) 15:44, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Prayer breakfast joke

It is not confirmed that Mace was, in fact, joking about skipping morning sex during her comment at the prayer breakfast. There is certainly an implication, but the reference is somewhat vague and left the imagination. Regardless, the inclusion of this under her personal life details is irrelevant and biased. The comment clearly implies the joke was inappropriate. That is an opinion, not a fact. 2600:1002:B1A9:7B51:DCAC:F8C5:97F2:63CA (talk) 20:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Sex

Currently, the article states that: "On November 18, 2024, Mace introduced a resolution to ban transgender people from using bathrooms other than those of their sex assigned at birth at the U.S. Capitol."

It is untrue that sex is 'assigned' at birth - it is simply a matter of objective fact which is observed at birth, and is observed and documented in the majority of animal species.

Therefore, the article should read instead: "On November 18, 2024, Mace introduced a resolution to ban transgender people from using bathrooms other than those of their sex at the U.S. Capitol." 148.252.133.52 (talk) 12:07, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

"Sex assigned at birth" is a commonly used medical terminology, and is more accurate than simply saying "their sex." Two examples can help illustrate why: firstly, there are intersex people who are not assigned a sex at birth due to ambiguous sex organs. Intersex persons with such "intersex conditions" may undergo sex confirmation treatments to conform to the male or female sex, and others do not identifying instead as simply "intersex" or possibly non-binary. Secondly, persons may opt to undergo sex confirmation surgery, sometimes called sex reassignment surgery, to change their anatomical sex. For those reasons, and others, it is more accurate to say "sex assigned at birth." That is not a partisan or ideological term; it's a medical and sociological one.SeminarianJohn (talk) 20:55, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

I just noticed Mace is in the category "Radical feminists."

I couldn't find anything about her self-identifying as a feminist, and it seems like her opinions on abortion go against the label "radical feminist." NesserWiki (talk) 04:51, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Was removed --FMSky (talk) 10:30, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. NesserWiki (talk) 02:15, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Gaza and ethnic cleansing

FMSky (talk · contribs) reverted my edits changing this:

In 2025, Mace supported President Trump's proposal to send U.S. troops to take control of Gaza and remove the Gazans from the territory.

to this:

In 2025, Mace supported on X (formerly Twitter) President Trump's proposal to "take over" the Gaza Strip, possibly with U.S. troops, dismantle the munitions and ruins of the Gaza war, ethnically cleanse and displace its population, and redevelop the area. Mace wrote, "Let's turn Gaza into Mar-A-Lago".

as not neutrally worded. Understandable, I think: calling something ethnic cleansing is such an extreme thing to say. But when a matter appropriate to mention in our article really is that extreme, and we have the sources to say it's that extreme, what's the use of going halfway? We already say that the proposal would remove the Gazans from the territory. That this would be forced displacement is hardly contentious - it's practically the definition. That it would be ethnic cleansing is established by the sources. That Nancy Mace supported it is also in the sources, and a significant tidbit of her political career that should be mentioned. (I would've placed it under "tenure", but it was already under "foreign policy" so I left it there.) Therefore, we should mention it.

Calling something ethnic cleansing certainly isn't something to be done lightly. That's why I did so with a medley of references consisting of respectable news outlets considered reliable sources, academicians in the appropriate field, and international institutions. (I deliberately left out human rights organizations, which, though working in this field and often well-regarded, aren't authorities in the same sense.)

Lastly, I realize that editing politicians' articles to say they support ethnic cleansing is the sort of thing that SPAs with a grudge do. I'm not happy to find I need to do it. Sure, I think it's truthful and warranted, but so do they. I've been marking my edit summaries so I'm doing it openly, not furtively though I was too much of a coward to straight up write "Hey check out what I'm writing about ethnic cleansing and see if I'm sane". I imagine it leaves a bad taste in other mouths too, no matter how true it is. The best thing I have to say to that comes from a story. Are you familiar with the Something Awful Let's Play for Spellcross, an obscure 90s Eastern European strategy game about modern militaries facing off against orcs and wizards? If you are, (1) why?, (2) then you know that during the LP's climactic battle for the fate of the world Aethereon Darkfyre, a minor character with a dramatic flair a mile wide, yells about fire raining down as though to herald the apocalypse. Another's shocked that Darkfyre finally stopped being hyperbolic, and when someone else objects that he's talking like he always does, adds that reality finally caught up with him. That's why I'm here. A month ago it would've been unimaginable to write that a US federal representative made a remark supporting a proposal that involved ethnic cleansing, but today? Reality's caught up. --Kizor 18:02, 13 February 2025 (UTC) Kizor 18:02, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

The problem is not even the wording in itself. Its that the sources don't even mention Nancy Mace. They just lay out Trump's plan, but you have to add sources that are actually about Mace, see WP:COATRACK --FMSky (talk) 18:29, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

FMSky (talk · contribs), I did. Republican Suggests Turning Gaza 'Into Mar-a-Lago' After Trump Announcement from Newsweek about Nancy Mace, and this one also from Newsweek gives the quote and says Mace "backed his [Trump's] comments". That said, I was thinking they're a bit obscure there only at the end of the paragraph, and could also be used after "supported". --Kizor 18:50, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

But they don't support the ethnic cleansing part etc, the first source just says that Mace said ""Let's turn Gaza into Mar-A-Lago", and nothing else, and the other one just says "she hinted at potentially commercializing the region similarly to Trump's estate and ocean front club Mar-a-Lago on Palm Beach, Florida." WP:NEWSWEEK is also not the greatest of sources --FMSky (talk) 19:01, 13 February 2025 (UTC)